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Pluto and AntiSpam.
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Dave Plowman (News)
2021-11-29 11:08:22 UTC
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Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing mails in Pluto
Log Mail as before with POPstar.

Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been through Logging
in the help file but can't seem to find this particular answer.
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Martin
2021-11-29 11:34:58 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing mails in
Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Sorry, can you clarify exactly what you are referring to please?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been through
Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this particular
answer.
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Martin Avison
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without notice if (when) any spam is received.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-11-29 15:08:52 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing mails in
Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Sorry, can you clarify exactly what you are referring to please?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been through
Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this particular
answer.
Pluto Boxes.

Have Mail DaveXXXX
Store DaveXXXX
Log Mail

Previously, with POPstar, all outgoing emails were archived to Log Mail.

I'd like the same to happen with AntiSpam.

Pluto sorts incoming emails into the boxes I want as before.
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Martin
2021-11-29 15:45:08 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing
mails in Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Sorry, can you clarify exactly what you are referring to please?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been
through Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this
particular answer.
Pluto Boxes.
Have Mail DaveXXXX
Store DaveXXXX
Log Mail
Previously, with POPstar, all outgoing emails were archived to Log Mail.
I'd like the same to happen with AntiSpam.
I can see no way the change from POPstar to Antispam has affected what
you seem to be describing, as it sounds like a Pluto function.

If you Edit Details of a Pluto Box you will see...

1. an 'Archive To' setting ... but that only archives an article when
you click on the Archive button in a viewer window.

2. a 'Log Replies in this box' setting ... but that would save it in
the box you are sending from.

If you use Pluto Preferences -> Lists -> Users and edit a user there
is a setting for Log Box so all emails sent by that user are saved
there.

If none of that helps, can you explain what you mean by 'log' and
'archive'? They may mean different things to different people!
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Pluto sorts incoming emails into the boxes I want as before.
That is controlled by the Pluto filters you have, if the default
actions are insufficient - the users In Box setting.
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Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
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Dave Plowman (News)
2021-11-29 16:12:18 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing
mails in Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Sorry, can you clarify exactly what you are referring to please?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been
through Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this
particular answer.
Pluto Boxes.
Have Mail DaveXXXX
Store DaveXXXX
Log Mail
Previously, with POPstar, all outgoing emails were archived to Log Mail.
I'd like the same to happen with AntiSpam.
I can see no way the change from POPstar to Antispam has affected what
you seem to be describing, as it sounds like a Pluto function.
If you Edit Details of a Pluto Box you will see...
1. an 'Archive To' setting ... but that only archives an article when
you click on the Archive button in a viewer window.
2. a 'Log Replies in this box' setting ... but that would save it in
the box you are sending from.
If you use Pluto Preferences -> Lists -> Users and edit a user there
is a setting for Log Box so all emails sent by that user are saved
there.
I've not altered them when Pluto was updated, and that's what they still
say. But it's not showing any mails written using Pluto since I started
using AntiSpam.
Post by Martin
If none of that helps, can you explain what you mean by 'log' and
'archive'? They may mean different things to different people!
A log could be anything. 'You sent a mail to XX on XXX' would be a log of
sorts. This stores the mail as sent. Meaning if a problem, can be re-sent.
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Pluto sorts incoming emails into the boxes I want as before.
That is controlled by the Pluto filters you have, if the default
actions are insufficient - the users In Box setting.
It was just for info. If Pluto had wiped all my settings when I installed
the latest version, I'd not expect that to work either. Sort of thing.
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Martin
2021-11-29 16:37:20 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing
mails in Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Sorry, can you clarify exactly what you are referring to
please?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been
through Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this
particular answer.
Pluto Boxes.
Have Mail DaveXXXX
Store DaveXXXX
Log Mail
Previously, with POPstar, all outgoing emails were archived to Log Mail.
I'd like the same to happen with AntiSpam.
I can see no way the change from POPstar to Antispam has affected
what you seem to be describing, as it sounds like a Pluto
function.
If you Edit Details of a Pluto Box you will see...
1. an 'Archive To' setting ... but that only archives an article
when you click on the Archive button in a viewer window.
2. a 'Log Replies in this box' setting ... but that would save it
in the box you are sending from.
If you use Pluto Preferences -> Lists -> Users and edit a user
there is a setting for Log Box so all emails sent by that user
are saved there.
I've not altered them when Pluto was updated, and that's what they
still say. But it's not showing any mails written using Pluto
since I started using AntiSpam.
Post by Martin
If none of that helps, can you explain what you mean by 'log' and
'archive'? They may mean different things to different people!
A log could be anything. 'You sent a mail to XX on XXX' would be a
log of sorts. This stores the mail as sent. Meaning if a problem,
can be re-sent.
Can you please post (or email me privately to my Pluto address) an
example of what 'logs' you used to get that you no longer get?

This may help to reduce my state of confusion, as I still cannot see
any connection between your problem and Antispam.
--
Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-11-30 12:54:38 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing
mails in Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Sorry, can you clarify exactly what you are referring to please?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been
through Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this
particular answer.
Pluto Boxes.
Have Mail DaveXXXX
Store DaveXXXX
Log Mail
Previously, with POPstar, all outgoing emails were archived to Log Mail.
I'd like the same to happen with AntiSpam.
I can see no way the change from POPstar to Antispam has affected
what you seem to be describing, as it sounds like a Pluto
function.
If you Edit Details of a Pluto Box you will see...
1. an 'Archive To' setting ... but that only archives an article
when you click on the Archive button in a viewer window.
2. a 'Log Replies in this box' setting ... but that would save it
in the box you are sending from.
If you use Pluto Preferences -> Lists -> Users and edit a user
there is a setting for Log Box so all emails sent by that user
are saved there.
I've not altered them when Pluto was updated, and that's what they
still say. But it's not showing any mails written using Pluto
since I started using AntiSpam.
Post by Martin
If none of that helps, can you explain what you mean by 'log' and
'archive'? They may mean different things to different people!
A log could be anything. 'You sent a mail to XX on XXX' would be a
log of sorts. This stores the mail as sent. Meaning if a problem,
can be re-sent.
Can you please post (or email me privately to my Pluto address) an
example of what 'logs' you used to get that you no longer get?
This may help to reduce my state of confusion, as I still cannot see
any connection between your problem and Antispam.
Perhaps Dave was using the Sent Mail facility in Pluto before the
change.
I really don't remember setting anything up for this on my original Pluto
installation. Most of the boxes in Boxes List have rather obviously have
been named by me. Except Bin, News In, News Store, News Log and Log Mail.
So I don't think I set this one up.
If he re-installed Pluto for use with Antispam he may have forgotten that
the !Run files need to be updated, in this case it is in
!Antispam.Resources.!MSC.Send - see Pluto Help Backup Sent facility.
That says as regards POPstar, you had to modify the Run file. Just looked
at mine (not now in use) and I hadn't. So I'm guessing we're still at
cross purposes.

Perhaps backup is the wrong term. All I want is sent mails to be easily
accessible from Pluto, as before when using POPstar.
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Dave Plowman ***@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Martin
2021-11-30 15:45:38 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Perhaps Dave was using the Sent Mail facility in Pluto before the
change.
I really don't remember setting anything up for this on my original
Pluto installation.
Are you saying that this is a new Pluto installation?
Did you start from scratch, or what?

[Snip]
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Perhaps backup is the wrong term. All I want is sent mails to be
easily accessible from Pluto, as before when using POPstar.
Right. Lets try to agree on terms. I *think* what you are wanting is:

When User xxxx writes a new email, the complete email should be saved
in Box yyyy when sent.

For the user in question, what is the setting for Log Box In
Preferences -> Lists -> Users?

I will say again: There is no way the change from POPstar to Antispam
has affected what you seem to be describing. That change seems to be
a coincidence. What else changed at the same time?
--
Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-11-30 17:00:31 UTC
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Post by Martin
[Big Snip]
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Perhaps Dave was using the Sent Mail facility in Pluto before the
change.
I really don't remember setting anything up for this on my original
Pluto installation.
Are you saying that this is a new Pluto installation?
No. I upgraded to the latest version. Having have used Pluto for many
years.
Post by Martin
Did you start from scratch, or what?
No. Only thing I changed in Pluto was in News/Mail Preferences. Mail
transport changed from POPstar to AntiSpam. Reason I got the latest
version of Pluto was AntiSpam v1.68 wasn't a choice on my older version.
Post by Martin
[Snip]
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Perhaps backup is the wrong term. All I want is sent mails to be
easily accessible from Pluto, as before when using POPstar.
When User xxxx writes a new email, the complete email should be saved
in Box yyyy when sent.
Correct. Any mails I sent from Pluto used to end up in the Box called Log
Mail. With POPstar. But not since I changed to AntiSpam.
Post by Martin
For the user in question, what is the setting for Log Box In
Preferences -> Lists -> Users?
Sorry to be confused. Menu Preferences doesn't show Lists.

Do you mean Menu Lists-> Users? That shows my email addresses and the user
ID I've given them.

For dave@*********.co.uk

The writable fields are obvious.

Inbox Mail Davesound
Copy blank
Log Box Log Mail.

Choices below those unticked

Mail List Server No
Post by Martin
I will say again: There is no way the change from POPstar to Antispam
has affected what you seem to be describing. That change seems to be
a coincidence. What else changed at the same time?
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Martin
2021-11-30 18:01:34 UTC
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[Big Snip]
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Martin
When User xxxx writes a new email, the complete email should be
saved in Box yyyy when sent.
Correct. Any mails I sent from Pluto used to end up in the Box
called Log Mail. With POPstar. But not since I changed to AntiSpam.
Post by Martin
For the user in question, what is the setting for Log Box In
Preferences -> Lists -> Users?
Sorry to be confused. Menu Preferences doesn't show Lists.
Do you mean Menu Lists-> Users? That shows my email addresses and
the user ID I've given them.
Yes I did - sorry for that confusion.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
The writable fields are obvious.
Inbox Mail Davesound
Copy blank
Log Box Log Mail.
Choices below those unticked
Mail List Server No
All looks ok. I wonder if they are being put into another box somehow?

Can you try ...
- select ALL boxes in the boxes list
- Menu -> Open selection
- Click in Article List to gain focus
- F4 to open search box
- enter a text string from the subject of a recent sent email
select Subject, and un-select Search selection
- click New Subset

Does that find the email you sent? (You may need to sort by date)
If so, click on the email - What box is it in?

I have just tried this, and it was copied into the User Log Box when I
clicked Send in Pluto. AntiSpam had not touched the file that was
placed in the Outbound directory.
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Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.
Martin
2021-12-10 15:47:26 UTC
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In article <***@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <***@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

[Big Snip]
Post by Martin
All looks ok. I wonder if they are being put into another box
somehow?
Can you try ...
- select ALL boxes in the boxes list
- Menu -> Open selection
- Click in Article List to gain focus
- F4 to open search box
- enter a text string from the subject of a recent sent email
select Subject, and un-select Search selection
- click New Subset
Does that find the email you sent? (You may need to sort by date)
If so, click on the email - What box is it in?
Did this find any sent emails?

I realised later that it would be easier in the Search & Select window
to just use the More button to display the Status selections - then
simply select only Search All, and click on OutGoing with a tick so
only sent emails will be selected when New Subset is clicked. Sort
the results by Date, and you should see all sent emails with the
latest first.

There may have been responses to my oringinal post that I missed, as
my newsgroup feed seems a little flaky at the moment.
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Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.
News
2021-12-10 17:03:03 UTC
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Post by Martin
There may have been responses to my oringinal post that I missed, as
my newsgroup feed seems a little flaky at the moment.
Indeed. PlusNet's Giganews feed seems to be rather broken, with lots
of missing posts. A couple of posts I made recently have never
appeared in my downloads. There were a number of posts about this on
the plusnet.service.customer-feedback group, but that seems to have
gone very quiet.
--
Chris Johnson
Martin
2021-12-10 17:49:20 UTC
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Post by News
Post by Martin
There may have been responses to my oringinal post that I missed,
as my newsgroup feed seems a little flaky at the moment.
Indeed. PlusNet's Giganews feed seems to be rather broken, with lots
of missing posts. A couple of posts I made recently have never
appeared in my downloads. There were a number of posts about this on
the plusnet.service.customer-feedback group, but that seems to have
gone very quiet.
So there are! At least it is not only me. I have just posted to the
Plusnet community forum, as I could find no references there.

I used to subscribe to the force9 usenet posts, but they vanished a
long time ago. I was not aware that there were some plusnet ones. Is
that the only 'active' one?
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Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.
News
2021-12-10 18:05:57 UTC
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Post by Martin
I used to subscribe to the force9 usenet posts, but they vanished a
long time ago. I was not aware that there were some plusnet ones. Is
that the only 'active' one?
There used to be a 'status' one, and an 'announce' one, but both
ceased traffic a long time ago. They are both nominally still in my
'fetch list', but I think it is many years ago they ceased. PlusNet
would rather everyone used their community forum.
--
Chris Johnson
Richard Darby (news)
2021-12-10 19:05:28 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by News
Post by Martin
There may have been responses to my oringinal post that I missed,
as my newsgroup feed seems a little flaky at the moment.
Indeed. PlusNet's Giganews feed seems to be rather broken, with lots
of missing posts. A couple of posts I made recently have never
appeared in my downloads. There were a number of posts about this on
the plusnet.service.customer-feedback group, but that seems to have
gone very quiet.
So there are! At least it is not only me. I have just posted to the
Plusnet community forum, as I could find no references there.
So that's what is happening. Earlier today Newshound reported 4 news
messages to download but only one was downloaded. Further up this thread
I replied to a message but didn't see it in the feed although Dave Plowman
did reply to it.

Richard Darby.
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Harriet Bazley
2021-11-29 11:53:20 UTC
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On 29 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing mails in Pluto
Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been through Logging
in the help file but can't seem to find this particular answer.
AntiSpam's log files are handled by !SysLog and will appear in
<SysLog$LogDir>, not inside Pluto. If you are using !MSC bundled
inside AntiSpam (as I suspect you may be) to send *outgoing* e-mail,
then that will also log its activities in !SysLog.Logs.MSC
--
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Nothing is foolproof - to a sufficiently talented fool
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-11-29 15:10:17 UTC
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Post by Harriet Bazley
On 29 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Just noticed that this combination no longer logs outgoing mails in
Pluto Log Mail as before with POPstar.
Got to be something simple I've missed setting. I've been through
Logging in the help file but can't seem to find this particular answer.
AntiSpam's log files are handled by !SysLog and will appear in
<SysLog$LogDir>, not inside Pluto. If you are using !MSC bundled
inside AntiSpam (as I suspect you may be) to send *outgoing* e-mail,
then that will also log its activities in !SysLog.Logs.MSC
So not possible to log them to a Pluto Box?
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Harriet Bazley
2021-11-29 16:05:06 UTC
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On 29 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Harriet Bazley
AntiSpam's log files are handled by !SysLog and will appear in
<SysLog$LogDir>, not inside Pluto. If you are using !MSC bundled
inside AntiSpam (as I suspect you may be) to send *outgoing* e-mail,
then that will also log its activities in !SysLog.Logs.MSC
So not possible to log them to a Pluto Box?
AntiSpam just sends out logging messages to SysLog using the SWI
SysLog_LogMessage. SysLog allows applications to specify a leafname for
the log, but not to control its location -- logs written by this app are
always located in <SysLog$LogDir>.
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