Help in upgrading Virtual Acorn

Post by Barry Gray
I have been running a Windows XP version of Virtual Acorn on my PC for
several years, but when in Spring 2015 I upgraded my PC to Windows 7 I
decided also to upgrade Virtual Acorn to the latest version.
At the time I placed the order neither I nor my wife were very well, and
I made a simple mistake on the order form. Because of their very
restricted telephone hours I could not get through to 3QD by telephone,
so I tried other ways but because of the stress I was under by reason of
my wife's illness (she died a few weeks later) I made another mistake.
3QD sent me a quite vitriolic letter saying that they would not do
business with someone who was so stupid.
Last week I tried to order the upgrade again, and this time I did
everything correctly, but I still got a vitriolic letter refusing my order.
Is there any kind soul out there who could persuade 3QD to change their
mind, and that this is no way to do business, or who could suggest how I
might upgrade without dealing directly with 3QD?

In order to upgrade, you need to send the old disc back as well as a
cheque, It's all on the 3QD website. Aaron does go a bit OTT at times.

Timothy Hartley

2015-08-20 09:22:02 UTC

Post by Charles Hope

In order to upgrade, you need to send the old disc back as well as a
cheque, It's all on the 3QD website. Aaron does go a bit OTT at times.

I am sorry to hear of the loss of your wife - you can certainly do
without additional stress at such times. I have to say that sending
the disc back does seem a very old fashioned procedure for modern
times - 3QD must have a computerised record of who bought what and
when and I can't see what benefit or security advantage there can be
to getting the old disc back. After all if you wanted to use it you
wouldn't upgrade, there is hardly likely to be a large second hand
market for such things and that could surely be largely if not wholly
controlled by coding and protection. EasiWriter and other programs
for RISC OS can easily be upgraded by e-mail, just as, for example,
Apple programs can be. Surely that should be the modern standard
procedure without the risk of losing the original disc, either before
or after posting?

Gerald Holdsworth

2015-08-13 18:17:23 UTC

Sorry to hear that Barry. My condolences.

Post by Barry Gray
3QD sent me a quite vitriolic letter saying that they would not do
business with someone who was so stupid.

Not what you need under those circumstances.

Post by Barry Gray
Last week I tried to order the upgrade again, and this time I did
everything correctly, but I still got a vitriolic letter refusing my order.
Is there any kind soul out there who could persuade 3QD to change their
mind, and that this is no way to do business, or who could suggest how I
might upgrade without dealing directly with 3QD?

I inquired about purchasing Virtual Acorn, but the piracy protection
they employ, plus not being able to upgrade the OS to one of my
choosing, put me off. So I found RPCemu, which is free.

Cheers,

Gerald.

--
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Chris Hughes

2015-08-13 22:12:04 UTC

[snip]

Post by Gerald Holdsworth

I inquired about purchasing Virtual Acorn, but the piracy protection
they employ, plus not being able to upgrade the OS to one of my
choosing, put me off. So I found RPCemu, which is free.

The so called piracy protection is part of the licence he has for
providing the OS.

I assume you mean you could not down(grade) to RO5 or as I have done
upgrade to RO6.

--
Chris Hughes

Someone Somewhere

2015-08-14 08:40:28 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
[snip]

Post by Gerald Holdsworth

It might be useful if you described what mistake you made and the
contents of the "vitriolic letter" - this is a small community and
there's been enough bad blood over the OS fork that we don't need people
behaving like that.

Post by Chris Hughes

Post by Gerald Holdsworth
I inquired about purchasing Virtual Acorn, but the piracy protection
they employ, plus not being able to upgrade the OS to one of my
choosing, put me off. So I found RPCemu, which is free.

The so called piracy protection is part of the licence he has for
providing the OS.

And who owns that license now, let me think....

Post by Chris Hughes
I assume you mean you could not down(grade) to RO5 or as I have done
upgrade to RO6.

Yawn. Horses for courses.

Stuart

2015-08-14 08:56:00 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
I assume you mean you could not down(grade) to RO5

I think that is a rather nasty and unwarranted comment.

Post by Chris Hughes
or as I have done upgrade to RO6.

I don't believe that is difficult if required, though I note the relevant
page on risc.com is "currently under construction"

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spampling

2015-08-20 14:40:34 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
I assume you mean you could not down(grade) to RO5

I think that is a rather nasty and unwarranted comment.

Chris nailed his colours to the mast years ago. Some of us rather hoped
that people might eventually grow beyond such things.

Still hoping.

--
Steve Pampling

Chris Hughes

2015-08-20 17:28:16 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
I assume you mean you could not down(grade) to RO5

I think that is a rather nasty and unwarranted comment.

Chris nailed his colours to the mast years ago. Some of us rather hoped
that people might eventually grow beyond such things.
Still hoping.

Since I have both RO 6 and RO 5 so I can compare them, I still prefer
RO6 over RO5 even now, that does not stop me using both. A reason
given by some usrs of RO6 is they feel RO 5 *is* a downgrade, hence
why they have not moved to RO5 rightly or wrongly.

--
Chris Hughes

Steve Fryatt

2015-08-20 21:10:25 UTC

On 20 Aug, Chris Hughes wrote in message

Since I have both RO 6 and RO 5 so I can compare them, I still prefer RO6
over RO5 even now, that does not stop me using both. A reason given by
some usrs of RO6 is they feel RO 5 *is* a downgrade, hence why they have
not moved to RO5 rightly or wrongly.

RO6 doesn't appear to be on sale from www.riscos.com/shop -- does it
actually exist any more?

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Stuart

2015-08-20 21:52:36 UTC

Post by Steve Fryatt

Post by Chris Hughes
Since I have both RO 6 and RO 5 so I can compare them, I still prefer
RO6 over RO5 even now, that does not stop me using both. A reason
given by some usrs of RO6 is they feel RO 5 *is* a downgrade, hence
why they have not moved to RO5 rightly or wrongly.

RO6 doesn't appear to be on sale from www.riscos.com/shop -- does it
actually exist any more?

As I see "This page isn't complete", I would guess it is still to be
added. It is still listed on:

http://www.riscos.com/riscos/index.htm

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Tim Hill

2015-08-21 10:14:42 UTC

Post by Steve Fryatt

Post by Chris Hughes
Since I have both RO 6 and RO 5 so I can compare them, I still
prefer RO6 over RO5 even now, that does not stop me using both. A
reason given by some usrs of RO6 is they feel RO 5 *is* a
downgrade, hence why they have not moved to RO5 rightly or wrongly.

RO6 doesn't appear to be on sale from www.riscos.com/shop -- does it
actually exist any more?

As I see "This page isn't complete", I would guess it is still to be
http://www.riscos.com/riscos/index.htm

Therin lies my problem with the entire site. I obviously have web
tourettes. Whenever I click a link and end up on a page which contains
nothing but a sign saying 'coming soon' I can't help but say "oh, for
f**'s sake!" out loud.

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Jim Lesurf

2015-08-14 11:33:46 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
[snip]

Post by Gerald Holdsworth

Post by Barry Gray
Last week I tried to order the upgrade again, and this time I did
everything correctly, but I still got a vitriolic letter refusing my order.
Is there any kind soul out there who could persuade 3QD to change
their mind, and that this is no way to do business, or who could
suggest how I might upgrade without dealing directly with 3QD?

I inquired about purchasing Virtual Acorn, but the piracy protection
they employ, plus not being able to upgrade the OS to one of my
choosing, put me off. So I found RPCemu, which is free.

The so called piracy protection is part of the licence he has for
providing the OS.

Well, I pay for products on the basis that the seller does *not* take for
granted that I'm a crook.

Personally I just use RPCEmu when I need to run a RO emulator. (And yes, I
did buy a CDROM of RO4 many years ago to use with it.)

So far as I'm concerned, if a trader treats a would-be client poorly then
the correct response for the client is to go elsewhere and never buy
anything from the trader unless they have no real choice.

Jim

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Jim Nagel

2015-08-20 14:18:52 UTC

The so-called piracy protection is part of the licence he has for
providing the OS.

Sounds somewhat surreal, now that RISCOS Ltd is no more and title
passed to 3QD, which is himself. (See http://riscos.com/ )

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Tim Hill

2015-08-20 14:42:21 UTC

Post by Jim Nagel

The so-called piracy protection is part of the licence he has for
providing the OS.

Sounds somewhat surreal, now that RISCOS Ltd is no more and title
passed to 3QD, which is himself. (See http://riscos.com/ )

Holy cow, that's a terrible web site.

Brian Howlett

2015-08-20 20:08:48 UTC

Post by Tim Hill

Post by Jim Nagel

The so-called piracy protection is part of the licence he has for
providing the OS.

Sounds somewhat surreal, now that RISCOS Ltd is no more and title
passed to 3QD, which is himself. (See http://riscos.com/ )

Holy cow, that's a terrible web site.

I've seen far worse, although the graphics at the top are a bit OTT...

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Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-12 11:39:26 UTC

just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said
--

Stuart

2015-09-12 12:10:52 UTC

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

I think it's the MAC address of the network interface.

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Dave Symes

2015-09-12 15:22:09 UTC

In article <***@microbits.net.au>,
Robert Andrews (inter) <***@interactivedisplays.com.au> wrote:
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

So you'd need to modify the MAC address of the Network card/interface on
the new machine to be the same as the old machines network card/interface
MAC address.

There are some PC apps (but I'm not telling what) that enable you to edit
MAC addresses.

OTOH. maybe senility has got me and I'm talking through my bum. ;-)

Dave

--
Dave Triffid

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-12 23:12:28 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.
So you'd need to modify the MAC address of the Network card/interface on
the new machine to be the same as the old machines network card/interface
MAC address.
There are some PC apps (but I'm not telling what) that enable you to edit
MAC addresses.
OTOH. maybe senility has got me and I'm talking through my bum. ;-)
Dave

look at www.howtogeek.com/192173/how-and-why-to-change-your-mac-addres
s-on-windows-linux-mac/

--
Rob andrews

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-12 23:24:13 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.
So you'd need to modify the MAC address of the Network card/interface on
the new machine to be the same as the old machines network card/interface
MAC address.
There are some PC apps (but I'm not telling what) that enable you to edit
MAC addresses.
OTOH. maybe senility has got me and I'm talking through my bum. ;-)
Dave

look at www.howtogeek.com/192173/how-and-why-to-change-your-mac-addres
s-on-windows-linux-mac/

--
Rob andrews

druck

2015-09-13 10:50:34 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

It's worse than that, VRPC just uses the first network interface it
finds, so it may use Ethernet, WiFi, Bluetooth, VM Ware or Virtual Box
adaptors or various network bridges. The problem is not all of these are
permanent interfaces may only be active at certain times, which will
cause VRPC to fail to run after anything changes.

---druck

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-13 11:09:58 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

The whole point of the post was to point out that all you need to do
to transfer from one computer to another is to write down the first
Mac address used to register the software in the first place.

--
Rob andrews

Chris Newman

2015-09-14 10:54:48 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

The whole point of the post was to point out that all you need to do
to transfer from one computer to another is to write down the first
Mac address used to register the software in the first place.

I was never asked for a MAC address when ringingin Aaron to get my unlock
code.

--
Chris Newman

Stuart

2015-09-14 12:14:17 UTC

Post by Chris Newman
I was never asked for a MAC address when ringingin Aaron to get my unlock
code.

You don't need to, the software reads that itself and generates the code
which you submit in order to obtain your unlock code.

--
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Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-14 12:40:41 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

The whole point of the post was to point out that all you need to do
to transfer from one computer to another is to write down the first
Mac address used to register the software in the first place.

I was never asked for a MAC address when ringingin Aaron to get my unlock
code.

no you where ask the result of an program that coded a number from
your Mac address that is why it will only work with that address,
simple and locks your software to the hardware via the mac address.
If you change computers you have to ring to get a new unlock code
because every network adaptor has a different number set at
manufacture.

--
Rob andrews

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-14 13:23:20 UTC

Post by Dave Symes
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that.
After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

The whole point of the post was to point out that all you need to do
to transfer from one computer to another is to write down the first
Mac address used to register the software in the first place.

I was never asked for a MAC address when ringingin Aaron to get my unlock
code.

The need to ring is only smoke & mirrors to stop you from copying the
software and passing it on. I am surprised he managed to keep the
illusion up for so long.
It also give him the opportunity to up-sell you a better version and
talk about his great support not.
Look there is no money in free software, after all he has to make a
living like us all, the only problem i see is how long can you make a
living from a dead branch of an operating system owned by someone else
when they have already released it to open for everyone to use and
develop.
this is just my two penny's worth and no animals where injured writing
this, i hope that this ends the mystery

Rob andrews

Charles Hope

2015-09-14 14:24:05 UTC

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
just a small clue needed write down the mac address of old computer
then copy to new computer nuff said

If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than that. After
registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC address of the
network card/interface.

It's worse than that, VRPC just uses the first network interface it
finds, so it may use Ethernet, WiFi, Bluetooth, VM Ware or Virtual
Box adaptors or various network bridges. The problem is not all of
these are permanent interfaces may only be active at certain times,
which will cause VRPC to fail to run after anything changes.
---druck

The whole point of the post was to point out that all you need to do
to transfer from one computer to another is to write down the first
Mac address used to register the software in the first place.

I was never asked for a MAC address when ringingin Aaron to get my
unlock code.

The need to ring is only smoke & mirrors to stop you from copying the
software and passing it on. I am surprised he managed to keep the
illusion up for so long. It also give him the opportunity to up-sell you
a better version and talk about his great support not. Look there is no
money in free software, after all he has to make a living like us all,
the only problem i see is how long can you make a living from a dead
branch of an operating system owned by someone else when they have
already released it to open for everyone to use and develop. this is
just my two penny's worth and no animals where injured writing this, i
hope that this ends the mystery

He's not selling just selling the RISC software - he's sells a package
which includes software to run on Windows to allow you to use the RISC OS
software.

M Harding

2015-09-14 16:37:15 UTC

Post by Charles Hope

Post by Dave Symes
If I remember correctly, a little more complicated than
that. After registration the VRPC install is tied to the MAC
address of the network card/interface.

It's worse than that, VRPC just uses the first network
interface it finds, so it may use Ethernet, WiFi, Bluetooth,
VM Ware or Virtual Box adaptors or various network bridges.
The problem is not all of these are permanent interfaces may
only be active at certain times, which will cause VRPC to
fail to run after anything changes.

I was never asked for a MAC address when ringingin Aaron to get
my unlock code.

He's not selling just selling the RISC software - he's sells a
package which includes software to run on Windows to allow you to
use the RISC OS software.

Yes that software - which does not come with RedSquirrel - is more
than icing on the cake, it's (for me) essential to the use of RISC OS
on a Windows computer.

a) It's ShareFS, to allow me to synchronise 3 Windows machines in a
simple way;

b) It's the IDEDisc4 which I need to run FontDirPro from.

c) I'm not sure whether there's anything else, e.g. in the Boot
sequence, that I'd need. I suppose I also jib at the sheer fag of
having to set up from scratch what I've already developed over many
years, and finding the time to waste doing it.

I can successfully use RedSquirrel, but that doesn't come with (a) or
(b) & I have no idea how to implement them. I dislike intensely being
tied to contacting a third party to keep my RISC OS working but it's
the package, not the bare-bones system, that's vital.

I'm not wanting to pirate VRPC. I've already paid my whack - for 3
computers. But I would like in return to be free of hostages to
fortune such as relying on a MAC address and perhaps on a telephone
call.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

druck

2015-09-14 19:30:01 UTC

Post by M Harding
Yes that software - which does not come with RedSquirrel - is more
than icing on the cake, it's (for me) essential to the use of RISC OS
on a Windows computer.
a) It's ShareFS, to allow me to synchronise 3 Windows machines in a
simple way;

ShareFS is in every version of RISC OS and therefore all RISC OS
emulators (with network support), so I suspect you mean something else,
HostFS perhaps? If so both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu have it.

Post by M Harding
b) It's the IDEDisc4 which I need to run FontDirPro from.

Filecore format disc emulation is included both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu.

Post by M Harding
c) I'm not sure whether there's anything else, e.g. in the Boot
sequence, that I'd need. I suppose I also jib at the sheer fag of
having to set up from scratch what I've already developed over many
years, and finding the time to waste doing it.

You can transfer your RPC boot sequence to just about any other emulator
unchanged.

[Snip rest]

I'll summarize that as being too frightened to try anything else, rather
than any real reason to be restricted to a particular emulator.

---druck

M Harding

2015-09-15 11:08:16 UTC

Post by M Harding
Yes that software - which does not come with RedSquirrel - is
more than icing on the cake, it's (for me) essential to the use
of RISC OS on a Windows computer.
a) It's ShareFS, to allow me to synchronise 3 Windows machines in
a simple way;

ShareFS is in every version of RISC OS and therefore all RISC OS
emulators (with network support), so I suspect you mean something
else, HostFS perhaps? If so both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu have it.

I did mean ShareFS. I looked, but still have no idea where it's
lurking, waiting to be liberated to link up with the other 2
computers. I realise I could copy material via Windows but it's a
laborious was to synch them.

Post by M Harding
b) It's the IDEDisc4 which I need to run FontDirPro from.

Filecore format disc emulation is included both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu.

Clearly I need some insomnia to cause me to dip into the manual. 8-)

Post by M Harding
c) I'm not sure whether there's anything else, e.g. in the Boot
sequence, that I'd need. I suppose I also jib at the sheer fag of
having to set up from scratch what I've already developed over
many years, and finding the time to waste doing it.

You can transfer your RPC boot sequence to just about any other
emulator unchanged.
[Snip rest]
I'll summarize that as being too frightened to try anything else,
rather than any real reason to be restricted to a particular
emulator.

No, druck. I've tried & got running RedSquirrel and RPCEmu (both with
RO 4.02) & RPCEmu with 5.20.

In all cases the labour in developing it from scratch to the state
that I'm accustomed to in VRPC-SA Adjust just wouldn't be worth the
candle at my age. It would deprive me of time for other things I want
to do. All I'd like, is to use my existing setup (which I prefer for
some tasks over using Windows, e.g. DTP) but free from the nagging
concern of its being tied to an antipiracy trap.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-15 11:42:24 UTC

Post by M Harding
Yes that software - which does not come with RedSquirrel - is
more than icing on the cake, it's (for me) essential to the use
of RISC OS on a Windows computer.
a) It's ShareFS, to allow me to synchronise 3 Windows machines in
a simple way;

ShareFS is in every version of RISC OS and therefore all RISC OS
emulators (with network support), so I suspect you mean something
else, HostFS perhaps? If so both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu have it.

Post by M Harding
b) It's the IDEDisc4 which I need to run FontDirPro from.

Filecore format disc emulation is included both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu.

Clearly I need some insomnia to cause me to dip into the manual. 8-)

Post by M Harding
c) I'm not sure whether there's anything else, e.g. in the Boot
sequence, that I'd need. I suppose I also jib at the sheer fag of
having to set up from scratch what I've already developed over
many years, and finding the time to waste doing it.

You can transfer your RPC boot sequence to just about any other
emulator unchanged.
[Snip rest]
I'll summarize that as being too frightened to try anything else,
rather than any real reason to be restricted to a particular
emulator.

No, druck. I've tried & got running RedSquirrel and RPCEmu (both with
RO 4.02) & RPCEmu with 5.20.
In all cases the labour in developing it from scratch to the state
that I'm accustomed to in VRPC-SA Adjust just wouldn't be worth the
candle at my age. It would deprive me of time for other things I want
to do. All I'd like, is to use my existing setup (which I prefer for
some tasks over using Windows, e.g. DTP) but free from the nagging
concern of its being tied to an antipiracy trap.
Michael Harding

As i explained in my earlier post all you need to do is keep a copy
the Mac address from the computer that RPPC-SA was installed on.
If you change your computer copy the whole of the folder with Virtual
Risc PC on to the new computer , set the link to the desktop.
Then remove the old computer from the network change the mac address
on the new computer so it is the same as the old one and VRPC-se will
start as normal no call needed, no stress.

--
Rob andrews

M Harding

2015-09-15 14:19:27 UTC

Post by M Harding
Yes that software - which does not come with RedSquirrel - is
more than icing on the cake, it's (for me) essential to the use
of RISC OS on a Windows computer.

[ . . . . ]

Post by druck
[Snip rest]
I'll summarize that as being too frightened to try anything
else, rather than any real reason to be restricted to a
particular emulator.

No, druck. I've tried & got running RedSquirrel and RPCEmu (both
with RO 4.02) & RPCEmu with 5.20.

[ . . . ]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
As i explained in my earlier post all you need to do is keep a copy
the Mac address from the computer that RPPC-SA was installed on.
If you change your computer copy the whole of the folder with
Virtual Risc PC on to the new computer , set the link to the
desktop. Then remove the old computer from the network change the
mac address on the new computer so it is the same as the old one
and VRPC-se will start as normal no call needed, no stress.

The advice was noted and I shall act on it if needed. Thanks, Rob, for
removing a potential difficulty. And thanks to the others who opened
up this issue.

In a worst-case scenario, if I had /no/ router connection (cabled or
wi-fi) when trying to start VRPC, then do I assume it wouldn't find a
MAC and therefore wouldn't start?

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

Stuart

2015-09-15 18:47:01 UTC

Post by M Harding
In a worst-case scenario, if I had /no/ router connection (cabled or
wi-fi) when trying to start VRPC, then do I assume it wouldn't find a
MAC and therefore wouldn't start?

It would start and run normally. It is the MAC address of the network
interface in your computer that it is tied to.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

M Harding

2015-09-15 19:35:28 UTC

Post by M Harding
In a worst-case scenario, if I had /no/ router connection (cabled
or wi-fi) when trying to start VRPC, then do I assume it wouldn't
find a MAC and therefore wouldn't start?

It would start and run normally. It is the MAC address of the
network interface in your computer that it is tied to.

Thanks. I didn't have time to fire one up without the router and
guessed one of the consultants could save me the trouble.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

Jim Nagel

2015-09-15 22:11:25 UTC

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
As i explained in my earlier post all you need to do is keep a copy
the Mac address from the computer that RPPC-SA was installed on.
If you change your computer copy the whole of the folder with Virtual
Risc PC on to the new computer , set the link to the desktop.
Then remove the old computer from the network change the mac address
on the new computer so it is the same as the old one and VRPC-se will
start as normal no call needed, no stress.

Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding out the
MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that gives an IP
address.)

And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk

"from" address is genuine but will change. website has current one.

spampling

2015-09-16 06:53:45 UTC

Post by Jim Nagel

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
As i explained in my earlier post all you need to do is keep a copy
the Mac address from the computer that RPPC-SA was installed on.
If you change your computer copy the whole of the folder with Virtual
Risc PC on to the new computer , set the link to the desktop.
Then remove the old computer from the network change the mac address
on the new computer so it is the same as the old one and VRPC-se will
start as normal no call needed, no stress.

Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding out the
MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that gives an IP
address.)

Now a simple /? would have answered your question, but for ease:
IPCONFIG/ALL you can put a space before the / but it isn't necessary.

It will also give you the gateway address, DNS and the DHCP server address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

You use a utility to set the MAC of the network card.

--
Steve Pampling

Sniffer

2015-09-16 11:45:13 UTC

Post by Jim Nagel
Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding out the
MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that gives an IP
address.)

ipconfig /all gives you the 'Physical Address' which is the MAC address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

Right click the NIC you want to change, select Properties, Configure
then select the 'Advanced' tab and select 'Network Address' from the
list of Propertys then click the 'Value' check box and insert your
desired MAC address without dashes or spaces, i.e. just the Hex digits.

Stuart

2015-09-16 12:35:41 UTC

Post by Sniffer

Post by Jim Nagel
Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding out the
MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that gives an IP
address.)

ipconfig /all gives you the 'Physical Address' which is the MAC address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

Hmmm, all very interesting.

Mind you, the motherboard network interface on my machine failed a while
back and had to be replaced with a PCI card version, necessitating a new
unlock code. All I would need to do would be to move the card over to any
new machine and Roberts your father's brother.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

Sniffer

2015-09-16 13:07:54 UTC

Post by Sniffer

Post by Jim Nagel
Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding out the
MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that gives an IP
address.)

ipconfig /all gives you the 'Physical Address' which is the MAC address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

Hmmm, all very interesting.
Mind you, the motherboard network interface on my machine failed a while
back and had to be replaced with a PCI card version, necessitating a new
unlock code. All I would need to do would be to move the card over to any
new machine and Roberts your father's brother.

Unless of course your PCI card failed ......

Someone Somewhere

2015-09-17 06:36:27 UTC

Post by Jim Nagel
Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding out the
MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that gives an IP
address.)

ipconfig /all gives you the 'Physical Address' which is the MAC address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

Hmmm, all very interesting.
Mind you, the motherboard network interface on my machine failed a while
back and had to be replaced with a PCI card version, necessitating a new
unlock code. All I would need to do would be to move the card over to any
new machine and Roberts your father's brother.

Unless of course your PCI card failed ......

Or your new PC had a working motherboard interface (or two) - VRPC seems
to randomly choose *an* interface rather than check the MAC addresses of
*all* interfaces to ensure the one (or any of the ones) that it knows
about it is there.

The latter would be a far better way of working - particularly if it
checked for all interfaces and as long as one was found was happy.

This would pretty much only then need a new unlock code on a move to a
new computer as opposed to a new wireless adapator, an install of
VMWare player, a PCI Ethernet card or whatever triggering it.

M Harding

2015-09-18 16:34:06 UTC

Post by Sniffer

Post by Jim Nagel
Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding
out the MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that
gives an IP address.)

ipconfig /all gives you the 'Physical Address' which is the MAC address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

Right click the NIC you want to change, select Properties,
Configure then select the 'Advanced' tab and select 'Network
Address' from the list of Propertys then click the 'Value' check
box and insert your desired MAC address without dashes or
spaces, i.e. just the Hex digits.

Hmmm, all very interesting.
Mind you, the motherboard network interface on my machine failed a
while back and had to be replaced with a PCI card version,
necessitating a new unlock code. All I would need to do would be to
move the card over to any new machine and Roberts your father's
brother.

Aaaargh! druck wins!

I duly noted the MACs of the 2 desktop computers, then switched on
the laptop (VRPC-SA RISC OS 4.02). "VRPC not registered," it claimed;
the code's invalid.

I noticed that there was a spurious VirtualBox network, so deleted
that - the MAC changed and affected the code, but didn't revert to
the right one. I realised I'd been tidying up various aspects of W7
to ditch various programs, and went back to the restore point before
that (with about 3 Windows updates after the mods too). It failed to
restore.

I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind,
starting from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc. It
involves trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I did
yonks ago & have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" . .
This'd take weeks.

More like Robert's my aunt, Stuart. There must be an easier way.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

Chris Hughes

2015-09-18 17:41:32 UTC

Post by Jim Nagel
Is there a command-line thing, or some other way, of finding
out the MAC address easily? (I tried ipconfig but that
gives an IP address.)

ipconfig /all gives you the 'Physical Address' which is the MAC address.

Post by Jim Nagel
And then where in my relocated VRPC do I copy this MAC address to?

Right click the NIC you want to change, select Properties,
Configure then select the 'Advanced' tab and select 'Network
Address' from the list of Propertys then click the 'Value' check
box and insert your desired MAC address without dashes or
spaces, i.e. just the Hex digits.

Hmmm, all very interesting.
Mind you, the motherboard network interface on my machine failed a
while back and had to be replaced with a PCI card version,
necessitating a new unlock code. All I would need to do would be to
move the card over to any new machine and Roberts your father's
brother.

Aaaargh! druck wins!
I duly noted the MACs of the 2 desktop computers, then switched on
the laptop (VRPC-SA RISC OS 4.02). "VRPC not registered," it claimed;
the code's invalid.
I noticed that there was a spurious VirtualBox network, so deleted
that - the MAC changed and affected the code, but didn't revert to
the right one. I realised I'd been tidying up various aspects of W7
to ditch various programs, and went back to the restore point before
that (with about 3 Windows updates after the mods too). It failed to
restore.
I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind,
starting from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc. It
involves trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I did
yonks ago & have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" . .
This'd take weeks.
More like Robert's my aunt, Stuart. There must be an easier way.

What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a new
unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

--
Chris Hughes

M Harding

2015-09-18 18:52:35 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes

Post by M Harding
Aaaargh! druck wins!
I duly noted the MACs of the 2 desktop computers, then switched
on the laptop (VRPC-SA RISC OS 4.02). "VRPC not registered," it
claimed; the code's invalid.
I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind,
starting from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc.
It involves trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I
did yonks ago & have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" .
. This'd take weeks.
More like Robert's my aunt, Stuart. There must be an easier way.

What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a
new unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

The problem's called pride. The inability to access the underlying
MAC to get it going. Concern that the MAC can so easily be upset.
Wondering whether, as an alternative, it really would not take too
long to set it up from scratch.

Yes I thought of giving in and obtaining a new code - but VRPC had
worked just recently, and now this group had revealed that the issue
lay in the MAC, so why had that changed? You're right, Chris: the
easiest way is probably to cleanse it of rubbish, make a restore
point, then ask for a new unlock code & take it from there.

I recall a lovely spoof article by Paul Jennings: a new philosophy
called "Resistentialism". Full of pastiches of Jean-Paul Sartre &
Co., about how "Res" (things) "résistent" (resist) [people]. A good
example of it, with a computer as it were biting back!

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

David Pitt

2015-09-18 20:19:45 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes

Post by M Harding
Aaaargh! druck wins!
I duly noted the MACs of the 2 desktop computers, then switched on the
laptop (VRPC-SA RISC OS 4.02). "VRPC not registered," it claimed; the
code's invalid.
I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind, starting
from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc. It involves
trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I did yonks ago &
have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" . . This'd take weeks.
More like Robert's my aunt, Stuart. There must be an easier way.

What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a new
unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

The problem's called pride.

Isn't that a sin.

--
David Pitt

Steve Fryatt

2015-09-19 10:46:14 UTC

On 18 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote in message

Post by Chris Hughes
What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a new
unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

You have read the whole thread, haven't you?

--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

M Harding

2015-09-19 11:49:03 UTC

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 18 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote in message

Post by Chris Hughes
What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a
new unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

You have read the whole thread, haven't you?

But I'm in a Catch-22 situation. VRPC doesn't work any longer with the
existing MAC, so until I get the VRPC working I can't establish the
correct MAC. Chris's advice is the easy solution.

The alternative is to follow druck's advice of using an unfettered
emulator, which I'm exploring, but which leaves me with concern about
my time investment since I don't have his expertise. Nor do I want to
trespass on the goodwill of several others who've helped me get out
of difficulties in the past.

I salute you "top brass" experts - and the lesser mortals too, who
also provide help.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

David Pitt

2015-09-19 12:21:50 UTC

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 18 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote in message

Post by Chris Hughes
What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a new
unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

You have read the whole thread, haven't you?

But I'm in a Catch-22 situation. VRPC doesn't work any longer with the
existing MAC, so until I get the VRPC working I can't establish the
correct MAC. Chris's advice is the easy solution.

I certainly don't fancy reading the whole thread again but as I understand
it a change to the networking interfaces has stuffed up the unlocking
arrangements, as it does. It doesn't matter whether that is a pain or not,
it is what it is and we have to live with it. The fix is straight forward,
get a new unlock code, which is easy :-

http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/register/

This has three options, one of which is to request an unlock code for the
same computer, which is the case here. I have just had to do just that for
this iMac. The new code was delivered within the hour by the "VirtualAcorn
Automated Unlock Code Request System", so if that means what it says there
should be no office hours restriction.

(Don't lose the old code, just in case.)

Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Hope this helps, as far as I can see there is no reason to abandon VRPC.

--
David Pitt

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-20 02:07:49 UTC

Post by David Pitt

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 18 Sep, Chris Hughes wrote in message

Post by Chris Hughes
What is the problem with emailing the registration address for a new
unlock code its normally pretty quick turnaround.

You have read the whole thread, haven't you?

But I'm in a Catch-22 situation. VRPC doesn't work any longer with the
existing MAC, so until I get the VRPC working I can't establish the
correct MAC. Chris's advice is the easy solution.

I certainly don't fancy reading the whole thread again but as I understand
it a change to the networking interfaces has stuffed up the unlocking
arrangements, as it does. It doesn't matter whether that is a pain or not,
it is what it is and we have to live with it. The fix is straight forward,
get a new unlock code, which is easy :-
http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/register/
This has three options, one of which is to request an unlock code for the
same computer, which is the case here. I have just had to do just that for
this iMac. The new code was delivered within the hour by the "VirtualAcorn
Automated Unlock Code Request System", so if that means what it says there
should be no office hours restriction.
(Don't lose the old code, just in case.)
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.
Hope this helps, as far as I can see there is no reason to abandon VRPC.

This problem on a laptop is easy to fix all you need to do is make
sure that the mac address that you are using is correct for the
interface you are using, if you use a wireless setup then just disable
the wired connection in network setting change adaptor setting disable
it, and vice verser if you are using wired connection.

--
Rob Andrews

Dave Symes

2015-09-20 05:06:54 UTC

In article <***@microbits.net.au>,
Robert Andrews (inter) <***@interactivedisplays.com.au> wrote:
[Snippy]

Post by Robert Andrews (inter)
This problem on a laptop is easy to fix all you need to do is make
sure that the mac address that you are using is correct for the
interface you are using, if you use a wireless setup then just disable
the wired connection in network setting change adaptor setting disable
it, and vice verser if you are using wired connection.
Rob Andrews

Still a farce though!

D

--
Dave Triffid

David Pitt

2015-09-20 05:50:19 UTC

Robert Andrews (inter), on 20 Sep, wrote:

[snip - VRPC unlock codes and network interfaces ]

This problem on a laptop is easy to fix all you need to do is make sure
that the mac address that you are using is correct for the interface you
are using, if you use a wireless setup then just disable the wired
connection in network setting change adaptor setting disable it, and vice
verser if you are using wired connection.

Changing between wired and wireless connections has never been a problem on
my Windows VRPCs, but adding an interface for RPCEmu was but that didn't
matter as that interface only ever worked once. The Mac, however, did
require a new code on moving from wired to WiFi.

--
David Pitt

spampling

2015-09-20 07:14:59 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

--
Steve Pampling

David Pitt

2015-09-20 09:20:21 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

--
David Pitt

spampling

2015-09-21 06:54:59 UTC

Post by David Pitt

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

Two points:
1. I don't need to do anything with VA involvement, I don't have VA
2. The site has more broken links than a 70 year old wire mesh fence.

So then, apparently, you need to phone and you're on personal interaction.

--
Steve Pampling

Chris Hughes

2015-09-21 07:15:41 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

1. I don't need to do anything with VA involvement, I don't have VA
2. The site has more broken links than a 70 year old wire mesh fence.
So then, apparently, you need to phone and you're on personal interaction.

The link has already been provided, and it works, no personal
interaction required.

--
Chris Hughes

David Pitt

2015-09-21 07:50:45 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

1. I don't need to do anything with VA involvement, I don't have VA

Well, what are you posting crap here for then!

Post by spampling
2. The site has more broken links than a 70 year old wire mesh
fence.
So then, apparently, you need to phone and you're on personal interaction.

How stupid is that, I posted the working link previously.

http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/register/

--
David Pitt

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-21 10:04:36 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

1. I don't need to do anything with VA involvement, I don't have VA

Well, what are you posting crap here for then!

Post by spampling
2. The site has more broken links than a 70 year old wire mesh fence.
So then, apparently, you need to phone and you're on personal interaction.

How stupid is that, I posted the working link previously.
http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/register/

Have you got some personal axe to grind here or do you just like being
a tosser

--
Rob andrews

David Pitt

2015-09-21 10:10:50 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

1. I don't need to do anything with VA involvement, I don't have VA

Well, what are you posting crap here for then!

Post by spampling
2. The site has more broken links than a 70 year old wire mesh fence.
So then, apparently, you need to phone and you're on personal interaction.

How stupid is that, I posted the working link previously.
http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/register/

Have you got some personal axe to grind here or do you just like being a
tosser

I have no axe to grind and would dispute with you who the tosser is.

--
David Pitt

Robert Andrews (inter)

2015-09-21 10:16:55 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

It's a website. Work it out for yourself.

1. I don't need to do anything with VA involvement, I don't have VA

Well, what are you posting crap here for then!

Post by spampling
2. The site has more broken links than a 70 year old wire mesh fence.
So then, apparently, you need to phone and you're on personal interaction.

How stupid is that, I posted the working link previously.
http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/register/

Have you got some personal axe to grind here or do you just like being a
tosser

I have no axe to grind and would dispute with you who the tosser is.

So you pointed out the link to the system i pointed out that as long
as you write down the mac address you don't need the link to the
system. anything else to say is not needed especially rudeness on your
part.

--
Rob andrews

Alan Calder

2015-09-21 12:14:26 UTC

In article <***@microbits.net.au>, Robert Andrews (inter)
<***@interactivedisplays.com.au> wrote:

[Snip]

especially rudeness on your part.

Pots? Kettles? Is 'tosser' a term of endearance where you live?
This thread is becoming exceptionally tedious - please don't lete it
degenerate further.
Dave P's language wason the salty side, true, but not really aimed as
personal invective.

Please stop!

Alan

--
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

spampling

2015-09-23 06:50:21 UTC

Post by Alan Calder
[Snip]

especially rudeness on your part.

No problem, I only come here for the abuse.

--
Steve Pampling

Alan Calder

2015-09-23 08:24:42 UTC

Post by Alan Calder
[Snip]

especially rudeness on your part.

No problem, I only come here for the abuse.

I will admit to often having a guilty delight in the robust discussion that
can happen here.
Co-incidentally, as I write Radio 4 is broadcasting a programme on bringing
up children. Politeness is a big theme, not surprisingly, with parental
behaviour said to be a large influence.
So - on with the games!

Alan

--
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

Stuart

2015-09-23 12:16:51 UTC

Post by Alan Calder
[Snip]

especially rudeness on your part.

No problem, I only come here for the abuse.

Well, there's no beer to be here for!

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

spampling

2015-09-24 06:41:30 UTC

Post by Stuart
Well, there's no beer to be here for!

I have a meeting, Saturday, at Stalybridge station. "Bit liquid" as the
minute taker puts it.

--
Steve Pampling

M Harding

2015-09-23 16:49:08 UTC

Post by David Pitt
Aaron has made it easy to manage the situation.

Sadly, people find dealing with Aaron somewhat less easy that it could be.

8-) That goes back to the original appeal for help in this thread.

Last time I needed a new access code I phoned. This time I took the
advice and did it by internet. I did have to wait a few hours - but it
was quite painless and VRPC now works again on the laptop.

I'm still hoping to get enough time to explore the substitution of
either RedSquirrel or RPCEmu for VRPC. Thanks for the encouragement.
(And no thanks for the unwarranted abuse of those who've been
helping.)

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

spampling

2015-09-24 06:48:10 UTC

Post by M Harding
I'm still hoping to get enough time to explore the substitution of
either RedSquirrel or RPCEmu for VRPC.

Setup of RPCEmu with RO5.x is described in the ROOL wiki for installs on
Windows, Linux and Mac. OSX.
Generally speaking the procedure should translate to to other OS versions.

--
Steve Pampling

druck

2015-09-19 18:29:52 UTC

Post by M Harding
The alternative is to follow druck's advice of using an unfettered
emulator,

I wasn't suggesting that you should change emulator, just that wouldn't
be as difficult to change as you thought.

The best solution would be to get VRPC working again, but its protection
system is a pain in the arse, meaning anything I can suggest probably
wont work without a lot of buggering about that you wouldn't be happy doing.

---druck

druck

2015-09-18 18:41:47 UTC

Post by M Harding
I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind,
starting from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc. It
involves trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I did
yonks ago & have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" . .
This'd take weeks.

Why? All of your RISC OS files are transferable between different
emulators. On Windows copy the files under VRPC HostFS to Red Squirrel
or RPCemu's HostFS directory. There may be a small amount of tinkering
with settings and drive names, but not nearly as bad as starting again
from scratch.

---druck

M Harding

2015-09-18 20:16:53 UTC

Post by M Harding
I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind,
starting from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc.
It involves trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I
did yonks ago & have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" .
. This'd take weeks.

Why? All of your RISC OS files are transferable between different
emulators. On Windows copy the files under VRPC HostFS to Red
Squirrel or RPCemu's HostFS directory. There may be a small amount
of tinkering with settings and drive names, but not nearly as bad
as starting again from scratch.

Files are a doddle, I'm used to transferring those, and I could
easily upload them to a spare HD for ease of transfer. The
time-consuming aspect, I find, is in setting up the Boot stuff:
screen mode, Organizer, printers, email client, programs etc. - and
often having to look it up (because I've forgotten) either in "VRPC
In Use" or as it appears in a parallel version by comparing screens.
Surely I can't simply replace the Boot material of a new one with
that of a working one: there must be lots of gotchas.

What I've been starting from is a barebones RedSquirrel. Is there a
more plump version available to start with?

I do actually enjoy tinkering, but not at the expense of all my other
interests - retirement's far too busy.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

Nick Roberts

2015-09-18 20:26:37 UTC

Post by M Harding
I'm now considering using RedSquirrel - but it's a real bind,
starting from scratch even to copying screen modes into it, etc.
It involves trying to recall how to set up all sorts of things I
did yonks ago & have now forgotten . . Searching "VRPC In Use" .
. This'd take weeks.

Why? All of your RISC OS files are transferable between different
emulators. On Windows copy the files under VRPC HostFS to Red
Squirrel or RPCemu's HostFS directory. There may be a small amount
of tinkering with settings and drive names, but not nearly as bad
as starting again from scratch.

Files are a doddle, I'm used to transferring those, and I could
easily upload them to a spare HD for ease of transfer. The
screen mode, Organizer, printers, email client, programs etc. - and
often having to look it up (because I've forgotten) either in "VRPC
In Use" or as it appears in a parallel version by comparing screens.
Surely I can't simply replace the Boot material of a new one with
that of a working one: there must be lots of gotchas.

I don't see why there should be. If you're using the universal boot
(i.e. you've rebuilt your boot directory some time in the last 15 years
or so), it should work anywhere. That is, to a great extent, why it is
as complicated as it is.

Post by M Harding
What I've been starting from is a barebones RedSquirrel. Is there a
more plump version available to start with?

At the very least, just try copying your boot across, after renaming
the old one to (say) Old!Boot. If it all goes horribly wrong, you
reinstate Old!Boot as !Boot, and you've wasted maybe 10 minutes. If it
works, you've saved hours.

Post by M Harding
I do actually enjoy tinkering, but not at the expense of all my other
interests - retirement's far too busy.

--
Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

druck

2015-09-19 18:27:50 UTC

Post by M Harding
Files are a doddle, I'm used to transferring those, and I could
easily upload them to a spare HD for ease of transfer. The
screen mode, Organizer, printers, email client, programs etc. - and
often having to look it up (because I've forgotten) either in "VRPC
In Use" or as it appears in a parallel version by comparing screens.
Surely I can't simply replace the Boot material of a new one with
that of a working one: there must be lots of gotchas.

All the boot stuff is just files contained in !Boot. It's not magic!

---druck

M Harding

2015-09-19 19:40:22 UTC

Post by M Harding
Files are a doddle, I'm used to transferring those, and I could
easily upload them to a spare HD for ease of transfer. The
screen mode, Organizer, printers, email client, programs etc. -
and often having to look it up (because I've forgotten) either in
"VRPC In Use" or as it appears in a parallel version by comparing
screens. Surely I can't simply replace the Boot material of a new
one with that of a working one: there must be lots of gotchas.

All the boot stuff is just files contained in !Boot. It's not magic!

So I've discovered - to a point. But then I start getting into areas
in which programs refuse to work, saying "HostFS2 needed". But I can
see HostFS2 there in the Plugins . . So it's stupid things like that
which aren't intuitive. Sorry if I've let you down, druck, and have
to revert to the PITA VRPC.

It's up-&-running to a degree, and it'd be a doddle to move over all
the programs I need by copying them into place via Windows from
another computer. The hard part seems to be to get these basics in
order first.

I'm learning in the process, though - and also polishing up lots of
oaths in various languages which I thought I'd forgotten.

If the family permits, I may well have another crack at this soon. At
least I have 2 working versions: belt-&-braces, with the laptop
version as a piece of string, currently untied, to be triply sure.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding ***@mdharding.org.uk

Chris Newman

2015-09-21 12:11:09 UTC

ShareFS is in every version of RISC OS and therefore all RISC OS
emulators (with network support), so I suspect you mean something else,
HostFS perhaps? If so both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu have it.

Post by M Harding
b) It's the IDEDisc4 which I need to run FontDirPro from.

Filecore format disc emulation is included both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu.

This is from way back in the thread but.....

I am exploring using RPCemu on an old laptop & also would like IDE or IDED to
run Sibelius. I've had a look at the RPCemu website at Maturin but haven't
yet found any reference to IDE or IDED. Could you enlighten me with any more
pointers, please?

--
Chris Newman

David Pitt

2015-09-21 12:47:57 UTC

[snip]

Post by druck
Filecore format disc emulation is included both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu.

This is from way back in the thread but.....
I am exploring using RPCemu on an old laptop & also would like IDE or IDED
to run Sibelius. I've had a look at the RPCemu website at Maturin but
haven't yet found any reference to IDE or IDED. Could you enlighten me
with any more pointers, please?

The nomenclature is confusing.

They are ADFS disc on both VRPC and RPCEmu. (In VRPC this is titled as
IDEDisc4 but the filing system is ADFS. RPCEmu uses the more familiar
HardDisc4 as the title.)

Blank Pre-formatted disc are on http://marutan.net/rpcemuspoon/

On RPCEmu, to activate it, to get it on to the iconbar, go to Configure
Discs and select an IDE hard disc. The tiny trifling down side is that this
doesn't wash in OS5, no ADFS!! All good in OS4.02 though.

--
David Pitt

Chris Newman

2015-09-23 23:55:44 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
[snip]

Post by druck
Filecore format disc emulation is included both Red Squirrel and RPC Emu.

This is from way back in the thread but.....
I am exploring using RPCemu on an old laptop & also would like IDE or IDED
to run Sibelius. I've had a look at the RPCemu website at Maturin but
haven't yet found any reference to IDE or IDED. Could you enlighten me
with any more pointers, please?

The nomenclature is confusing.
They are ADFS disc on both VRPC and RPCEmu. (In VRPC this is titled as
IDEDisc4 but the filing system is ADFS. RPCEmu uses the more familiar
HardDisc4 as the title.)
Blank Pre-formatted disc are on http://marutan.net/rpcemuspoon/
On RPCEmu, to activate it, to get it on to the iconbar, go to Configure
Discs and select an IDE hard disc. The tiny trifling down side is that this
doesn't wash in OS5, no ADFS!! All good in OS4.02 though.

Thanks for that, David. I have briefly trialled with some success, RPCEmu OS5
& OS4.02 using Gerald Fitton's articles in Archive magazine, plus some email
help from him. I'll probably stick with 4.02 or if I'm brave, try extracting
4.39 ROM images from my riscPC. There were instructions somewhere on the
Marutan website. Nothing intrinsically wrong with 5 but Sibelius won't run on
it and similarly some other old stuff I use.

I've now found & downloaded a blank1024 Eplus ADFS emulatedharddrive so I'll
give it a whirl when I can get a Round Tuitt.

Thanks again.

--
Chris Newman

spampling

2015-09-24 06:52:45 UTC

Post by David Pitt
The tiny trifling down side is that this
doesn't wash in OS5, no ADFS!!

?? Slight inaccuracy.
ADFS exists in the IOMD image, it's missing from the OMAP3, OMAP4, and
Pi images.

Try running Blackhole - it looks for ADFS and therefore fails, if
unmodified, on Beagle, Pi etc but works on RPCEmu.

--

Steve Pampling

David Pitt

2015-09-24 08:43:54 UTC

Post by Chris Hughes
[snip]