Pluto/Popstar.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
had to go over to imap.

It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which
does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
devil I know type thing.

POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

Any chance of something similar for imap?

[David Higton]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which
does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one of
the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to use was
no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3. AIUI, all you
needed to do was to persevere with finding the correct login. You did
with IMAP; you could have done the same with POP3.

AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and integrate
very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.

David

[Martin]

Post by David Higton

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email,
as I've had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger
Pro which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more
than ThunderBird on the dark side. And nothing near as much as I
liked Pluto - although the devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.

Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.

Post by David Higton
AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.

And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.

Martin

[Theo]

Post by Martin

Post by David Higton
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.

Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.

Just one server:
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk

Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup, once
that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.

Post by Martin

Post by David Higton
AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.

And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.

I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP is that
with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the primary repository
of received email. With IMAP the database lives on the server and messages
are synced back and forth via the IMAP protocol. It's possible that Pluto
is not designed for this syncing, although if the database is simple enough
it might be possible for an example program to do it (for example, when
Pluto is not running).

Theo

[Bob Latham]

Post by Theo
I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP
is that with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the
primary repository of received email. With IMAP the database lives
on the server and messages are synced back and forth via the IMAP
protocol. It's possible that Pluto is not designed for this
syncing, although if the database is simple enough it might be
possible for an example program to do it (for example, when Pluto
is not running).

The possibility that ISPs *may* at some point cease pop3 support in
favour of imap only has me thinking.

I'm no expert but it occurs to me that Pluto doesn't download
anything from the server it leaves that to popstar or Hermes etc.. So
would it be possible to modify one of the pop3 fetcher apps.

With imap, you still need to download an email to read it. You still
need to be able to delete it when you need to. So would it not be
possible to fetch emails with imap and then pass them to Pluto or
whatever as if they were pulled by pop3. Then delete the email on the
server (or not) using imap protocol.

I'll get me coat..

Bob.

[druck]

Post by Bob Latham
The possibility that ISPs *may* at some point cease pop3 support in
favour of imap only has me thinking.

This isn't happening. Where ISPs cease pop3 support they usually stop
providing any email service, as IMAP is even more costly to them having
to host GBs of email permanently rather than just email in transit.
When they drop email they direct you to wards a paid for service, and
those services will continue to offer POP3 until the cows come home.

---druck

[Bob Latham]

Post by druck
will continue to offer POP3 until the cows come home.

Thanks.

Bob.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Theo

Post by Martin

Post by David Higton
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.

Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.

https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup,
once that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.

Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
*

If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
omitted, of course.

It works OK with BT mail, and I've tried exactly the same settings with
123-reg, apart from the obvious differences.

Post by Theo

Post by Martin

Post by David Higton
AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.

And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.

I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP is
that with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the primary
repository of received email. With IMAP the database lives on the
server and messages are synced back and forth via the IMAP protocol.
It's possible that Pluto is not designed for this syncing, although if
the database is simple enough it might be possible for an example
program to do it (for example, when Pluto is not running).
Theo

[Theo]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
*

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
It appears to be speaking correct TLS:
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995

Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
you *don't* want that.

Theo

[David Higton]

Post by Theo

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
you *don't* want that.

Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
conclusion.

David

[Theo]

Post by David Higton

Post by Theo

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
you *don't* want that.

Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
conclusion.

I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers both
POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I tried to talk
TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port
995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.

Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't
listening on the POP port.

That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as I
did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the message
itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.

It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS compared
with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or that Dave
doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his machine. The
cert is issued by:

Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2

Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's present in
CACertificates?

Theo

[David Higton]

Post by Theo

Post by David Higton

Post by Theo

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
you *don't* want that.

Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
conclusion.

I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers both
POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I tried to talk
TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port
995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.
Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't
listening on the POP port.
That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as I
did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the message
itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS compared
with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or that Dave
doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his machine. The
Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's present in
CACertificates?

And that it's up to date - see the recent postings in the ROOL fora on
this topic (I released UpdCaCert to try to help, but unfortunately
the CACertificates app presents a non-standard location for certs).

David

[Martin]

Post by David Higton

Post by Theo

Post by David Higton

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk
and used my current password. Tried just about every port
option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S ***
Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A
TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s? It appears
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting
for STARTTLS you *don't* want that.

Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the
same conclusion.

I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk
offers both POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates.
So when I tried to talk TLS to it on port 993 I got the
certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port 995 I got the
certificate for pop.123-reg.
Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and
isn't listening on the POP port.
That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port
number (as I did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and
get a certificate mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal
alert' reported - the message itself doesn't specify any
explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS
compared with the support in POP3s and has disabled older
versions. Or that Dave doesn't have a suitable certificate chain
Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's
present in CACertificates?

And that it's up to date - see the recent postings in the ROOL fora
on this topic (I released UpdCaCert to try to help, but
unfortunately the CACertificates app presents a non-standard
location for certs).

If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL is
installed, then the standard certificate location is used. However, I
notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL & certificates
will need to have been installed.

I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does indicate
that POP is still available. However, I did notice a page about
changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that might be
relevant? It is at...
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

Martin

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Martin
If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL is
installed, then the standard certificate location is used. However, I
notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL & certificates
will need to have been installed.
I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does indicate
that POP is still available. However, I did notice a page about
changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that might be
relevant? It is at...
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Martin

I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it started a
fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line 9150.'

This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a popbox to
mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things - even on the PC.

[Martin]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Martin
If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL
is installed, then the standard certificate location is used.
However, I notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL
& certificates will need to have been installed.
I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does
indicate that POP is still available. However, I did notice a
page about changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that
might be relevant? It is at...
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it
started a fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line
9150.'

There is no line 9150 in the current version - v1.68 (29-10-2020).
What version are you using?
[I see you are using Pluto v3.16 from 2016, rather than v3.18 from
2020 ... but now is not the time to change until email is sorted]

Do you have AcornSSL v1.06 installed?
Do you have INetDBase:CertData installed? (preferably 26 Oct 2021 or
later)

That combination of AntiSpam, Pluto & AcornSSL works fine for me on
RO4.39 ... for my ISP.

What are the two servers and their ports set to?
What is the Security setting?

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a
popbox to mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things
- even on the PC.

I read the page, but it meant nothing to me, as my ISP has always used
mailboxes (whether they be the same or different to yours I have no
idea).

Martin

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Martin

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Martin
If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL
is installed, then the standard certificate location is used.
However, I notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL
& certificates will need to have been installed.
I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does
indicate that POP is still available. However, I did notice a
page about changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that
might be relevant? It is at...
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/

I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it
started a fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line
9150.'

There is no line 9150 in the current version - v1.68 (29-10-2020).
What version are you using?
[I see you are using Pluto v3.16 from 2016, rather than v3.18 from
2020 ... but now is not the time to change until email is sorted]

Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.

Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on Pluto
doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help files.

Post by Martin
Do you have AcornSSL v1.06 installed?

Have now.

Post by Martin
Do you have INetDBase:CertData installed? (preferably 26 Oct 2021 or
later)

Not sure where I find that.

Post by Martin
That combination of AntiSpam, Pluto & AcornSSL works fine for me on
RO4.39 ... for my ISP.
What are the two servers and their ports set to?
What is the Security setting?

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a
popbox to mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things
- even on the PC.

I read the page, but it meant nothing to me, as my ISP has always used
mailboxes (whether they be the same or different to yours I have no
idea).

I've still not worked out why PopStar works on the BT address but not the
123-reg one.

[Martin]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on
Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help
files.

Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help?
My address is in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one
above.

Martin

[David Higton]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on Pluto
doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help files.

Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help? My address is
in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one above.

I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
successful conclusion.

David

[Martin]

Post by David Higton
I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
successful conclusion.

I hope so too - watch this space!

Martin

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by David Higton

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on
Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help
files.

Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help? My address
is in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one above.

I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
successful conclusion.
David

I have a workround - sort of.

Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside Netfetch.

Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to operate
just like POPStar did.

Only thing I'm not quite clear about is if it uses the correct SMTP for
each adress. Netfetch only shows the one in Choices Account, and the
button on the right doesn't show the other one - although advanced then
details does. I do know the 'wrong' SMTP usually works OK - but not
always.

[Martin]

In article <***@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <***@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.

Pluto does *not* "only mention Hermes.
Where did you get that from?

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.

Of course Pluto will work with Hermes - as it will work with AntiSpam.

[I await a reply to my PM sent at 15:12 today]

Your problem was that Hermes would not work with 123, I thought.

Martin

[Dave]

In article <***@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <***@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]

All I want is Pluto working as it did.

Pluto is not a Mail fetcher/sender...

The other thing is I want to be able to set it so it only downloads new
mails. That seems to work OK using Netfetch. Of course I could well have
missed the correct configuration on others.

Hermes Icon bar menu, Mail accounts in "Email boxes to fetch", single
click an account on the left hand side, then click Edit on the right hand
side, this opens a new pane, click the "Fetching" button On.

This opens "Fetch options"
Click the "Skip mail already fetched" to On.
Click "Change" and Uncle Bob will be okay.

Dave

[Steve Fryatt]

On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.

It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set things up;
NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.

Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested in mail
transports.

[Martin]

Post by Steve Fryatt
On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.

It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set
things up; NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.
Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested
in mail transports.

To clarify: Pluto will not see Netfetch, as it is not a mail
transport, but transports it can use include Hermes, AntiSpam,
PopStar, and many older ones.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Dave
[Snippy]

In practical use it makes no difference. You just click the Netfetch icon
to do a fetch etc rather than the Hermes one.

What!
If you are taking that route...
Why not click menu over the NF icon bar icon and look at the Fetch/Send
options?

Why would I look at the options? I've already set them how I want.

[Bob Latham]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.

Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
about it.

Would love to understand what the configuration difference was that
made it work.

Bob.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Bob Latham

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.

Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
about it.
Would love to understand what the configuration difference was that
made it work.

Basically, with Hermes only, it downloaded the entire mailbox each time.
Found a setting on Netfetch for new mails only. Of course I might be
missing the same function in Hermes.

[druck]

123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap.
Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.

Who told you, if it was first line support I would be inclined to
believe they didn't understand the question. If it was second or third
line support, it might hold more weight.

---druck

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by druck

123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap.
Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.

Who told you, if it was first line support I would be inclined to
believe they didn't understand the question. If it was second or third
line support, it might hold more weight.
---druck

The person who sorted out the mess their auto migrate thingie did at their
end. I was left in limbo, with no access to my box. He re-set things (a
few days later) and auto migrate then worked. So had no reason to doubt
what he said. Of course he may have been just the scribe. ;-) I've no way
of knowing. This was all with Thunderbird, which they had step by step
instructions on how to change from the original POPbox (which stopped
working) to imap.

[Richard Torrens (News)]

Post by Bob Latham
Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
about it.

NetFetch is a commercial package. It includes freebies such as Newshound,
. But NetFetch itself is maily a wrapper for the individual programs -
plus a timer to trigger fetches as appropriate, something Alarm or
Organizer can do just as well.

If you are going to charge for something you have to include something
worth charging for. Hence NetFetch to integrate a lot of freebies with
some new bits thrown in.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Just to update things.

I've got Pluto working just fine with AntiSpam. Used really just to
replace POPstar rather than for the filter side. So thanks to all.

Just to be clear - using the POP server on 123-reg. For some reason that
won't work with POPstar/POP3S.

I've left the PC using imap. And can use either that or the RPC but
archive everything I want to using Pluto which is just as before.

[Dave]

Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
use for this group will be fine.
John

Which Dave among the many were you trying to reach John?

Dave

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
use for this group will be fine.

Did you look at the instructions in my sig?

[John]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The
one I use for this group will be fine.

Did you look at the instructions in my sig?

Oops! Will send again...

John

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Theo

Post by David Higton

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used
my current password. Tried just about every port option I've been
told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the
encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been
received. Connection closed. *

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s? It appears to be
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for
STARTTLS you *don't* want that.

Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
conclusion.

I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers
both POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I
tried to talk TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for
imap.123-reg, while on port 995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.
Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't
listening on the POP port.
That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as
I did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the
message itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection
failed.
It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS
compared with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or
that Dave doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his
Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's
present in CACertificates?

Well, I'm even more confused here.

It does all work with Messenger pro using imap. If I try using Hermes with
pop-123, I get connection failed.

Since I've changed passwords at 123-reg more often than socks, could there
be a different one for their pop server and imap? Can't see anyway of
checking. Only password it gives you the ability to change is the mailbox
one.

[Theo]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I'm even more confused here.
It does all work with Messenger pro using imap. If I try using Hermes with
pop-123, I get connection failed.

They are different pieces of software. They do things in different ways.
We need to figure out the reason for the 'connection failed'.

Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 with SSL/TLS but without STARTTLS, as
I suggested upthread?

Or indeed port 110 without any SSL/TLS (possibly with STARTTLS, if
POP3s/POPStar supports that)?

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Since I've changed passwords at 123-reg more often than socks, could there
be a different one for their pop server and imap? Can't see anyway of
checking. Only password it gives you the ability to change is the mailbox
one.

It seems unlikely. If you have a login that works for IMAP I would have
expected it to work for POP.

Also, you wouldn't receive a TLS error if the password was wrong, you'd get
'login failure', 'incorrect password' or something like that.

Theo

[David Higton]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.

I'm just looking at the 123-reg.co.uk website about setting up email
clients. They're still saying that POP3 is the standard method of
accessing emails. The POPserver is pop.123-reg.co.uk and the port
should be 995.

They also give you a phone number for support: 0345 450 2310

What email transport are you using? Are you sure it supports the
security protocol you're asking it to?

Other than ask questions, and look up this kind of stuff, I'm not
able to offer you much more in the way of concrete help because I
don't use 123-reg as my email provider, and I use AntiSpam and MSC
to do my secure POP3 collection and secure SMTP transmission. They
work very well.

David

[Kevin Wells]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Theo

Post by Martin

Post by David Higton
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.

Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.

https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup,
once that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.

Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection.
GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
*
If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
omitted, of course.

With Hermes I have the following:

POP3 mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk

Port: 110

User name: Full email address
Password: The pasword

Under security Authenicatd login (APOP) ticked.

[David Higton]

Post by Kevin Wells

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
omitted, of course.

POP3 mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
Port: 110
User name: Full email address
Password: The pasword
Under security Authenicatd login (APOP) ticked.

I have 4 email accounts (none with 123-reg), of which 3 use the full
email address as the user name, and 1 uses just the part before the "@".
123-reg's help pages suggest they require the full address.

David

[Richard Torrens (News)]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which
does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

Many moons ago I had to change from POPStar to Hermes - reason - I needed
SSL and this was included in the NetFetch program - which also includes a
lot of other stuff. I think the other stuff is there to make things
simpler - but inevitably they complicate things!

Hermes was written to replace POPStar - and has been constantly upgraded
since.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Richard Torrens (News)

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as
I've had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro
which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than
ThunderBird on the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked
Pluto - although the devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.

Many moons ago I had to change from POPStar to Hermes - reason - I needed
SSL and this was included in the NetFetch program - which also includes a
lot of other stuff. I think the other stuff is there to make things
simpler - but inevitably they complicate things!
Hermes was written to replace POPStar - and has been constantly upgraded
since.

Yes - Hermes does work with Pluto. But POP3S with POPstar did work with BT
and 123-reg, until 123-reg changed things.

Think what I want is only to download new messages - and not delete them
from the server. I can manage that side from the PC.

[David Higton]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Yes - Hermes does work with Pluto. But POP3S with POPstar did work with BT
and 123-reg, until 123-reg changed things.
Think what I want is only to download new messages - and not delete them
from the server. I can manage that side from the PC.

AntiSpam can do that too.

David